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Post by Javy Dawg on Dec 20, 2020 20:57:06 GMT
Well we got through another off-season and given the unprecedented number of free agents and the compressed time frame all in all I think it went fairly well.
But there is always room for improvement. So let me hear your ideas and suggestions on what you think would make this league better.
Hopefully next off-season will be back to normal and we will have a chance to implement some changes.
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 21, 2020 1:29:49 GMT
Find a way to allow managers who are bidding on RFA to keep bidding on other FAs. As having money tied up for up to 48 hours means in some cases you can't keep bidding as you might go over the salary cap. Then once the bid in matched your money is freed up but a lot of bids may have completed in that 48 hours.
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 21, 2020 1:32:32 GMT
Finish waived players with a gap before the end of FA to allow bids. Consider reducing waiver from 48 to 24 hours during FA as nearly all managers are online during this period. Whereas during the season you may not check everyday. And 48 hours is a long wait during FA. Doesn't appear to be a need for the extra 24 hours.
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Post by ZolliesFollies on Dec 21, 2020 3:20:39 GMT
A couple of quick thoughts, will likely have some more later.
1. This one is a result of the Bradley Beal trade(s). I was initially very confused by those trades, as it seemed a run around cap limits. But the more I thought about it, the more I agree with the outcome. If teams may bid on free agents knowing that winning would put them over the cap (with 24hr to reconcile), then there is no logical reason to say that the holder of an RFA shouldn't be able to do the same thing. In this case, the same outcome could have been realized much more simply. And, of course, if an RFA is matched and puts a team over the cap, they should be subject to the same potential sanctions if they can't make it work within 24hr.
2. More a housekeeping suggestion than a change: Go through all league statements and rule changes at the end of every season or offseason, and roll things into the league rulebook. I'm thinking specifically of the Jokic "illegal“ (fractional million) bid that, as written, would have been bumped up but, from league precedent, was not. I have zero preference either way, but the rules should be officially written in one centralized place, and any conflicting/outdated posts on the forum noted as such. That way there is zero confusion, especially when new managers such as myself may enter the league from time to time.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 21, 2020 17:31:31 GMT
1. Allow managers to keep their draft picks until opening day. I am the only one who can think clearly on this as I have no draft picks. Clock watching to the exact minute 7 days are up is absurd and unhealthy and defeats the purpose of this league. People spend years waiting for draft picks they traded for. To have it stolen for such a silly reason is nonsense. That so many in the league fail to grasp that is a sign that many in the league are still in their masturbatory phase of life. People live in all sorts of time zones and have other commitments. There are plenty of redraft leagues out there if they are that desperate for instant gratification. The whole incident with Wiseman was just shameful and embarrassing.
2 IL makes no sense especially in this kind of league and certainly in a pandemic. More IL would encourage managers to be more prudent in their bidding and save money for the season. Almost guaranteed this season will be a crippled affair filled with non competitive teams from week to week.
3. If managers persist every year complaining about bidding up on RFA's to try and win the rights of the RFA from the RFA holder then get rid of the bloody category. I cannot believe how stupid some of the managers in this league have been on this issue. Not surprising these are the same managers who were involved in point 1. Again I suggest they avail themselves of redraft leagues to assuage their masturbatory tendencies.
This league should always be about keeping the eye on the long term. NOT INSTANT GRATIFICATION.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 22, 2020 1:23:19 GMT
1) I disagree with the draft picks point. There is a rule we should play within it. Almost every year we have second round picks that don’t get signed on purpose so they can be signed to 4 year contracts instead of a 2 year rookie contract. If we can’t drop them until the season starts that goes away. I agree the rule should be more clearly defined for the future. I’m fine with extending the time line hell we can make it 2,3 or 4 weeks but don’t make it the full offseason.
2) The point I already made earlier about team options I think needs to be reviewed.
3) A review of the bidding process and how we make the bids. Again think we have already talked about this. (RFA rule not part of the review, don’t want Basketball to start crying again).
4) Think we should review how we do the regular season as no one pays attention to the salary cap during the season unless they sign a player to a multiple year deal. All other leagues I’m in using proboards makes you use Proboards all season. Any pick up has to have an auction started and a bid of 24 hrs on here first. Leagues I’m in have IL replacements as well that cost 1M and have to be dropped once the IL player comes off it. The 1M has no cap hit when they have to be dropped.
5) I agree that this season we should expand the IL. In other years I think the vote on basketball’s poll thread shows the league doesn’t have an appetite for expansion of the IL spots.
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Post by Suicide Squad on Dec 23, 2020 18:37:29 GMT
1. No re-raising of bids on FA/RFA. If ever there is a “correction” to be made on a valid bid the 24hr period should not reset. When making bids on RFA, bidders must account for the original owners ability/inability to match the contract being offered. In both the Harden (2019) & KAT (2020) FA bidding, the valid bid was re-raised by the same bidder at the 23rd hr. The loophole in the current rule is being manipulated to delay the signing of the RFA and extend the 24hr window given to make room for player signings. Yet there is a current proposal to free-up committed cap space on RFA bids because the total 48hr period is too long – the delaying tactic should not be allowed in the first place.
2. When making a bid for FA/RFA, teams must not be allowed to go beyond cap space -this includes all standing offers/bids of a team to all FA/RFA. A bid is after all a teams commitment to pay the players salary and therefore must be guaranteed. Also, a players salary must be decided between teams that are capable of signing that player.
3. Consider allowing teams to extend 1 player contract instead of having 1 RFA, subject to the following rules; a. Salary on each year of extended contract must be 15% higher than the previous year. Team must still not exceed the cap space at any point. b. Contract extensions may be for 1 or 2 years only and may only be given once. After the end of the extended contract the player will be a Free Agent. c. Contract extensions may only be given to a player who is not on their rookie contract, has been on the current team for atleast a year and have an expiring contract. d. Deadline for extending expiring contracts will be the start of the 1st NBA game of the current season.
Note: RFAs will only be limited to players that have finished their rookie contracts
4. Implement a Waiting Period before trading newly signed rookies or FA. In the NBA, a newly signed rookie may only be traded after 30 days/1 month & newly signed FAs after 3 months. RFAs are not covered by this rule and may be subject to sign & trade. Draft picks (including rights to unsigned rookies) may be acquired & traded in a span of 1 offseason.
5. Salary for Team Option/s should either; a. match the salary for last guaranteed year or b. equal to the average annual salary for the guaranteed years
6. Institute a “League Code of Conduct” where blatant disregard/violation of league rules, disrespect to other managers (e.g. name calling, cursing, etc.) and other unaccepted behavior that may be detrimental to the league will be penalized. Any possible violation may be brought to the attention of the league as a whole or to the Resolution Board for evaluation. Possible penalties may include; a. Loss of draft pick/s b. Payment of fines or loss of cap space c. Dismissal/Replacement
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:29:05 GMT
Suicide Boy is another complainer from last year who fails to get it. It is not a loophole and these pretentious souls need to get off their pedestals. Just because a player is RFA does not give the previous owner any other right than a right to match a bid. Nothing more.
It is utterly disingenuous and totally against the concept of bidding to say that when making a bid the bidder must account for the ability/inability of the original owner to match in a one time bid. There is usually a number of bidders on an RFA to begin with. They are concerned with bidding against each other. Therefore they bid multiple times until there in only one left. No bidder can know when the other bidders will stop bidding. Once the other bidders drop out the remaining bidder knows he is in a battle with the RFA holder and is most definitely allowed to up his bid if he still feels it is insufficient to win the player. The bidder has every right so long as he has the funds to bid as high as he wants to. Same as with any other player.
There is zero difference between an RFA and any other Free Agent in all other respects. You are allowed to up a bid on a free agent and therefore are allowed to up a bid on an RFA.
These people crying about such an obvious issue really need to get over their sense of entitlement.
The owners crying about this would be better off playing in a dynasty league without contracts.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:36:31 GMT
Point 2 by Suicide Boy is utter nonsense. The rules clearly state we have 24 hours to sign a player. During bidding any number of managers may be in negotiations to trade away other players to create further cap space. There are already penalties in place to deal with managers who fail to meet their contractual obligations.
Yet again this is another example of Suicide Boy, Dull Skull refusing to appreciate the nuances of the league and wanting to simplify it so they don't have a nervous breakdown during the bidding period. I sense a lack of maturity in these managers. They shouldn't be having a nervous breakdown about the bidding process and getting all upset if they don't win the bid.
That's all that is really behind these complaints. They lost out on some bids and want to rewrite all the rules. Sour grapes is all that is being expressed here.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
Point 3 is yet another attempt to do an end around the RFA rule. Just more pathetic whining and an attempt to hang onto a player they aren't willing to bid on. Should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:40:28 GMT
Point 4 is hilarious. In another thread Suicide Boy disparages the idea of following the NBA on time lines for signing a draft pick but suddenly wants to follow the NBA on trading players.
Make up your mind, Suicide Boy.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:41:48 GMT
Point 6: More crybaby nonsense from a well known crybaby.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:47:19 GMT
Point 7: There needs to be a code of conduct for managers who continually complain and whine about the same issues year after year. Such managers are a cancer to any league they belong to and will drag down the enthusiasm of other managers.
When an issue has been ruled upon we should not hear about this issue again for a minimum of five years ( preferably 10)
Managers who continue to whine MUST be penalized as follows.
a. Loss of draft pick/s b. Payment of fines or loss of cap space c. Dismissal/Replacement
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 24, 2020 17:57:38 GMT
Conclusion:
It is pretty clear there is a core group of managers who refuse to get into the spirit and the rough and tumble of bidding. They refuse to embrace the full scope of what this league has to offer and want to try and ruin the fun and enjoyment of managers who appreciate all the facets of this league. They want to simplify the league, make it less, with the aim of being able to hang onto their players longer. They don't seem to appreciate they are in a contract league and can't seem to distinguish it from other keeper leagues. They are far too narrow minded and too concerned with their own self interest to think of what is good for the league as a whole. They can't grasp that such a league is more about the long term than it is about instant gratification.
Unless they adopt a different attitude they would be better served playing elsewhere.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 24, 2020 20:36:50 GMT
Conclusion: It is pretty clear there is a core group of managers who refuse to get into the spirit and the rough and tumble of bidding. They refuse to embrace the full scope of what this league has to offer and want to try and ruin the fun and enjoyment of managers who appreciate all the facets of this league. They want to simplify the league, make it less, with the aim of being able to hang onto their players longer. They don't seem to appreciate they are in a contract league and can't seem to distinguish it from other keeper leagues. They are far too narrow minded and too concerned with their own self interest to think of what is good for the league as a whole. They can't grasp that such a league is more about the long term than it is about instant gratification. Unless they adopt a different attitude they would be better served playing elsewhere. I totally agree and you should leave. You are the biggest Cancer in this league.
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