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Post by old - basketball on Sept 23, 2019 12:18:52 GMT
Been trying to incorporate waived debt into trade offers and have been told it is not allowed.
Can you refer me to the rule where it says so? I can't find it.
We can trade cash so why not debt?
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Post by Javy Dawg on Sept 23, 2019 14:08:27 GMT
its pretty simple...
Trading ‘Cash’
When trading players you can add ‘cash’ to pay some of the players salary.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 23, 2019 15:05:40 GMT
its pretty simple... Trading ‘Cash’ When trading players you can add ‘cash’ to pay some of the players salary. Might be simple but you didn't answer the question. Why are we not allowed to trade debt? It would be part of a trade involving active players. Taking on debt is also a form of helping to pay a salary. Is there anything in the rules that prohibits it? |
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 23, 2019 15:09:29 GMT
its pretty simple... Trading ‘Cash’ When trading players you can add ‘cash’ to pay some of the players salary. Might be simple but you didn't answer the question. Why are we not allowed to trade debt? It would be part of a trade involving active players. Taking on debt is also a form of helping to pay a salary. Is there anything in the rules that prohibits it? For example if I agree to take on a player with an 11 million dollar contract what difference does it make if the other guy agrees to cover 10 million of it or absorbs 10 million of my debt? Either way 10 million is freed up. |
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Post by Javy Dawg on Sept 24, 2019 0:06:36 GMT
What difference dose it make?
Clearly it allow a manager to move dead money that they have incurred back into their active cap space, but I suspect you already knew this or you wouldn't be pushing so hard after being told multiple times that this type of transaction would not be allowed.
The fundamental principal of this league is salary cap management. Teams are held accountable for the contracts that they sign. The competitive advantage goes to the team that can avoid accumulating dead cap space, I do not believe it is a coincidence that the team that has won the last two championships is currently carrying $0 dead money.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 24, 2019 4:00:24 GMT
What difference dose it make? Clearly it allow a manager to move dead money that they have incurred back into their active cap space, but I suspect you already knew this or you wouldn't be pushing so hard after being told multiple times that this type of transaction would not be allowed. The fundamental principal of this league is salary cap management. Teams are held accountable for the contracts that they sign. The competitive advantage goes to the team that can avoid accumulating dead cap space, I do not believe it is a coincidence that the team that has won the last two championships is currently carrying $0 dead money. You really muddy the waters with all this pejorative terminology. "Dead money"as you call it impacts our cap space ( cap space is cap space..it is neither active or inactive) the same as contracts and just like contracts it should be able to be moved as one is able. Debt is a commodity like anything else and as you well know in the real world it is as tradeable as cash or stocks. You and I have disagreed often and often I am at fault for not reading the fine print but on this one you are dead wrong. There is no logic to your argument nor are there any rules to back up your position. Moreover this is a league about contracts trying to recreate in a small way the way a real franchise would operate. Moving debt is a well know reality. I don't have any trades on the horizon so this is not about a single trade but about the concept of letting the free market and our managers try to work deals to get out of difficult positions they may find themselves in. You talk about some guy winning with zero debt. That's just luck. He didn't have a Kevin Durant go down did he? Things happen beyond our control but that shouldn't prevent managers trying to find a way out of their predicament. I am afraid some arbitrary ruling based on nothing more than prejudice and subjectivity which doesn't even have a rule to back it up with just doesn't cut the mustard and needs to be rethought. |
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Post by Javy Dawg on Sept 24, 2019 4:12:56 GMT
I tell you what, if you can find one instance of a waived players cap hit being traded in the NBA i will reconsider my position.
until then the rule stands, it cant be traded.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 24, 2019 13:37:19 GMT
I tell you what, if you can find one instance of a waived players cap hit being traded in the NBA i will reconsider my position. until then the rule stands, it cant be traded. Done some reading. Teams won't do this because all are so close to the salary cap and cannot afford to. However, there is nothing I have seen that says it is illegal Can you find anything that says it is illegal? |
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Sept 24, 2019 16:35:11 GMT
I tell you what, if you can find one instance of a waived players cap hit being traded in the NBA i will reconsider my position. until then the rule stands, it cant be traded. Done some reading. Teams won't do this because all are so close to the salary cap and cannot afford to. However, there is nothing I have seen that says it is illegal Can you find anything that says it is illegal? HA HA you can't find an example so you turn it back on the commish to prove that it is illegal.
Just drop it and stop crying, it's not allowed move on try a different strategy.
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Post by OLD - cantrell - flint tropics on Sept 24, 2019 18:04:35 GMT
In real life teams are not allowed to absorb other team's dead cap space.
You need to trade the actual player so that the receiving team takes over the remaining salaries.
You can't just waive the player and try to trade the debt afterwards, it doesn't work like that.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 24, 2019 21:06:17 GMT
Done some reading. Teams won't do this because all are so close to the salary cap and cannot afford to. However, there is nothing I have seen that says it is illegal Can you find anything that says it is illegal? HA HA you can't find an example so you turn it back on the commish to prove that it is illegal.
Just drop it and stop crying, it's not allowed move on try a different strategy.
It's not crying Dull Skull. Pity you are so dim. It's called capitalism and it happens everyday in the markets. Why are you do fucking ignorant? Don't you ever read? Ever had a mortgage? Think the bank that gave you that mortgage still owns it? Ever heard of the GFC? No, it's not the same as KFC. Do you know what caused the GFC? Trading in other people's debt. Brighten up Dull Skull if you want to have a say in the game. |
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 24, 2019 21:10:02 GMT
In real life teams are not allowed to absorb other team's dead cap space. You need to trade the actual player so that the receiving team takes over the remaining salaries. You can't just waive the player and try to trade the debt afterwards, it doesn't work like that. When you put it like that you are probably right. A pity. It would make the league more interesting instead of just being stuck in the mud when calamity hits. The current set up just leaves the outcome out of the manager's hands. Just accept God's will so to speak. That's kind of boring. |
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