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Post by ZolliesFollies on Dec 4, 2020 1:03:25 GMT
I've only been here a short time, so I've not really had much chance to converse with many of you. That said...
Shortly after joining this league, I went back through prior offseasons in the forum, to get a better understanding of the setup and a feel for the folks I'd be playing against. Yes, I read through the Harden thread, and many more.
I do not fundamentally have a problem with outbidding oneself, if done in good faith. Once I saw that yesterday's bid on KAT had been incrementally increased by the current leader in the last few minutes before it would have otherwise closed, I was curious. Curiosity led to recognition after rapid-fire bids terminating with a large escalation in contract value today.
As I understand it, the issue is a settled matter in this league, that this is allowable behavior. I do not agree with that, for the record.
I am undecided at this time as to my next action with regards to KAT's contract/free agent bidding. I may outbid myself. Perhaps I won't. I have the cap space to make it work either way.
--Doc
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 4, 2020 4:34:00 GMT
I disagree with bidding up yourself as well.
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Post by Conycento on Dec 4, 2020 7:22:54 GMT
I also disagree. This league is becoming a bad joke. People just bid anywhere to increase the price of players. I think something must be done to avoid these ridiculous situations. This not happens in any other contract league I play.
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Post by Suicide Squad on Dec 4, 2020 9:36:11 GMT
My position has not changed about the strategy of bidding against oneself. I am not sure that the issue is already settled, so does anyone have a proposal to make?
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 4, 2020 13:27:50 GMT
Now I don’t play in any other basketball salary leagues but my baseball and hockey ones track your bids and you aren’t allowed to go over your roster size or your salary cap while making a bid. I think that would cut out a lot of the over active bidding in this league.
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Post by Conycento on Dec 4, 2020 13:57:24 GMT
I think not allowing to go over the roster size and salary cap when bidding on free agency could be a good point. Another point could be that managers must write down the length of the contract and the specific salary for each year.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 4, 2020 15:01:51 GMT
If you moved to a system where you tracked bids and the salary cap hits as bids happened you'd either have to make bids one of two ways. They have to be spread out evenly or as you said you must designate the salary structure as you bid.
Or you make it that for bidding purposes all salaries are evenly distributed then if you win an auction you can allocate money as you see fit.
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Post by ZolliesFollies on Dec 4, 2020 16:37:54 GMT
Tracked bids, with average value tracked for cap purposes, also provides a means to solve something that is frustrating, at least to me: Total contract value being the only determining factor. It seems a bit silly that 31/4 beats 30/3, for example. Or, in an extreme case, 51/4 would beat 50/1.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 16:55:56 GMT
Not this bullshit again. We went over this crap last year. Why is everyone so fucking dense and acting like a bunch of crybabies? The rule is CRYSTAL CLEAR. Anyone can bid what they like for a player so long as they can cover it. This is especially important in the case of RFA players. If I have the highest bid and can see no one is going to outbid me but I am damn sure the guy who has RFA rights will claim the player then I have every right to up the bid as I am competing with the RFA holder. FUCKING OBVIOUS..THERE IS STILL A COMPETITION GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I recall Dull Skull was crying like a little bitch all through the bidding last year and Suicide Boy joined in the wailing. Now I see the Spaniard also can't grasp basic math. Thanks New Guy for raising that crap all over again. The Commissioner already ruled on this and he was damn right. WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE THAT?  ?? EVERY MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO OFFER WHAT HE LIKES FOR A PLAYER. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THIS BASIC CONCEPT GO JOIN ANOTHER LEAGUE. BUNCH OF FUCKING CRYBABIES. |
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 4, 2020 16:58:42 GMT
I know in my baseball leagues we do salary per year is the first determining factor then length wins out.
I am also in one where you bid the cost per year. You have a maximum number of contracts for each contract length and you determine the contract length after.
So for the first example 3.25M x 2 years losses to 3.25 x 4 years
In the second example you only bid a cost per year. You determine the years after you have won the auction.
But really all our talking isn't worth anything if Javy doesn't want to change the structure of the auctions.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 17:00:18 GMT
Thanks New Guy
You really pissed me off with this one.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 4, 2020 17:07:10 GMT
Not this bullshit again. We went over this crap last year. Why is everyone so fucking dense and acting like a bunch of crybabies? The rule is CRYSTAL CLEAR. Anyone can bid what they like for a player so long as they can cover it. This is especially important in the case of RFA players. If I have the highest bid and can see no one is going to outbid me but I am damn sure the guy who has RFA rights will claim the player then I have every right to up the bid as I am competing with the RFA holder. FUCKING OBVIOUS..THERE IS STILL A COMPETITION GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I recall Dull Skull was crying like a little bitch all through the bidding last year and Suicide Boy joined in the wailing. Now I see the Spaniard also can't grasp basic math. Thanks New Guy for raising that crap all over again. The Commissioner already ruled on this and he was damn right. WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE THAT? ?? EVERY MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO OFFER WHAT HE LIKES FOR A PLAYER. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THIS BASIC CONCEPT GO JOIN ANOTHER LEAGUE. BUNCH OF FUCKING CRYBABIES. We are talking about a myriad of things here not just bidding up your own bid. I am not crying or complaining about bidding up your own bid. I am just simply stating I don't agree with that rule. No calls to change it at all. Though I wouldn't be against it at the end of the day if it changed.
I do think however that there are a few things wrong with our bidding process. 1st of those items is how the highest contract is determined 50/3 years shouldn't really lose to 51/4 years. But again those are the current rules and I will play within them.
There is nothing wrong with talking about things that can make the league more competitive and more enjoyable for all the managers. We aren't saying things have to change but are just suggesting things that might make things better if we thought about them.
I do love when you resort to name calling, psychologically speaking it means you know you are wrong and need to back up your argument in other ways.
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Post by ZolliesFollies on Dec 4, 2020 17:16:25 GMT
I won't respond to the namecalling and cursing, which I find to be puerile and banal. Other than to clarify that I am technically (Second) New Guy, and that I did in fact acknowledge that outbidding oneself is currently allowed.
But basketball, you do make a point that I fully agree with: During an auction, you have the right to bid whatever contract you think will win the auction. In the case of restricted free agents, if you're set on challenging the capability of the previous team to match, then absolutely bid an amount that reflects that in the first place!
No one here questions the ability to bid in any amount you are capable of paying.
The discussion here is about ways we can see improving the league, which involves a more substantial restructuring of the free agency process.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 18:19:46 GMT
I really don't give a rat's ass what you will or will not respond to. If you don't want to be called a crybaby then stop acting like one.
And stop trying to have it both ways. Don't tell us you accept that people can raise their own bids and then start telling us that you don't accept it when it doesn't suit you.
KAT is an RFA. That is EXACTLY what I was talking about before. DGT or whomever has every right to raise his bid and he can wait as long as he likes within a 24 hour cycle.
You are in the wrong and your whining is really really really annoying.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 18:58:27 GMT
This discussion is really like talking to Trumpers. It is not really two points of view. It is the clear and obvious abiding by the clearly stated rules talking to the insane and demented.
I will leave it to Javy to adjudicate. Like having Javy adjudicate whether the sun rises in the east or the west.
Just wish i had not seen this nonsense posted. Thought this crap was well and truly over.
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?? EVERY MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO OFFER WHAT HE LIKES FOR A PLAYER.