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Post by Eli ‘Thundercats’ on Dec 4, 2020 20:53:10 GMT
I agree with doctheprocess, greyskull master, and concyento.
The irony here is that you basketball are the one being a ‘crybaby’. This is a cordial discussion on some issues just because you don’t. Think there is an issue doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 21:10:56 GMT
No, Eli, you are rehashing a bunch of nonsense that was gone over last year and explained very carefully then.
This post is utter garbage and needs to be deleted.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 21:14:30 GMT
The best part of this league is the bidding process. It brings out the creativity and gets everyone involved. It allows managers to explore their options to the fullest.
Unfortunately there is a core group of crybabies who wish to undermine that process and cheat other managers out of their rightful stake to players.
You can blather on all you want. Nothing is going to change.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 4, 2020 21:27:44 GMT
Let's be honest. The only reason this post is here and the only reason the crybabies are rallying around it, is because they are shitting their pants over the possibility of losing their RFA's and they want to install new undemocratic rules to make it easier for them to hang onto their beloved player.
It's pathetic. You have no right to demand a limit on the bid made on a RFA.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Dec 4, 2020 21:41:01 GMT
we voted on out-bidding yourself late year, its was close but the result was to allow it.
re contract length v yearly salary..
This is something I have never really been totally happy with. Obviously 30 for 1 year is better that 31 over 4. But conversely i feel that 40 mil over 4 is better than 11 over 1.
I ended up setting on 'total salary' A. because it's simple, and B. it favours longer contracts, which seemed more aligned with 'real life'
as i've mentioned to some of you, I am looking at options to do things differently next year so if you have any suggestions let me know.
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Post by ZolliesFollies on Dec 4, 2020 21:56:19 GMT
As stated, I don't necessarily have a problem with outbidding yourself when done in good faith. Sort of a "letter of the rules" versus "spirit of the rules" circumstance.
You're always going to run up against weird edge cases from a math perspective depending on which way you do it. In my mind, favoring 11/1 above 40/4 is less egregious than favoring 31/4 over 30/1.
As most everyone seems to use some slight variation of the "$$/yr" format for bidding, it doesn't feel like it would be to difficult to adapt to "yr @ AAV". So you would see 4@10, compared to the current 40/4. Average annual value AAV is still straightforward to read and determine who has the largest bid.
I could be talked into prioritizing shorter or longer contracts if switching to an annual value basis. It feels like shorter should still win, if only to keep things interesting by encouraging player movement between teams.
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Post by ZolliesFollies on Dec 4, 2020 22:05:04 GMT
My position has not changed about the strategy of bidding against oneself. I am not sure that the issue is already settled, so does anyone have a proposal to make? How about: A bidder may directly outbid themselves (in other words, they currently own the high bid and increase that bid) once per player? Allows a bid to be adjusted if you make a legitimate mistake: Say you mistyped and increased a bid from 70/4 to 85/3, when you meant 85/4. You could adjust that to 86/4, with no issues. Also allows for a change of strategy: Perhaps the landscape surrounding an RFA has shifted due to other players signing. You increase your bid, no questions asked and no reason needed. In both cases you can't do it again. So if you goof again and type 86/3 instead of that 86/4 and don't have the cap space, that's on you and you better hope someone comes in to outbid you (or an RFA holder retains the player). And if the ever-changing player landscape keeps shifting beyond what you forecast, that's unfortunate but you can't predict everything.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 5, 2020 0:50:44 GMT
Will you just shut up? What is this crap about bidding up "in good faith". Who the hell bids up "in bad faith." What the hell would that even mean? You bid up only to get stranded with a contract you don't want and get penalized. God, you are such a freaking crybaby. You are definitely in the wrong league. We should find a replacement for you.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 5, 2020 0:56:43 GMT
No doubt our newbie sees himself as the High Priest of Good Faithfulness. In theory we would just leave it to him to determine the level of "Good Faith" in every bid and give him the power to undo every bid he casts as unfair to him.
You're a joke.
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Post by Eli ‘Thundercats’ on Dec 5, 2020 0:58:15 GMT
Man, you are really getting wound up over this. Maybe you need to take a breather and remove yourself from this particular chat, because this won’t go away. There is nothing wrong with having a cordial discussion about potentially making amendments to the rules. No need to get your knickers in a twist over nothing.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 5, 2020 3:31:08 GMT
You really are a blow hard.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 5, 2020 11:17:21 GMT
And you're a Trumper, Dull Skull. You can't concede you lost on this point last year. Oh no. Just wait 12 months and pretend we didn't debate and decide this issue last year.
You are the real blowhard.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 5, 2020 11:21:10 GMT
Looks like DGT got sick and tired of the whining and decided to put the issue to rest.
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