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Post by Javy Dawg on Dec 5, 2020 21:30:11 GMT
DRB has voted and decision is that Wiseman is a UFA.
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 5, 2020 22:39:15 GMT
Request for an explanation
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 5, 2020 22:40:09 GMT
And vote count
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 5, 2020 22:43:32 GMT
Why wasn't this bidding halted like the Turner one? It gave the impression this was a formality.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Dec 6, 2020 0:10:43 GMT
Basic consensus was that 7 days equated to 168 hours, similar to the FA bidding process the last drafted player was at 2:15 and clock started ticking from that point.
The only reason I didn't put a halt to bidding as if the vote had gone the other way all bids would have been null and void and they would not have mattered, whereas with Turner the bids would have counted either way and a player being UFA v RFA could influence bidding.
Should also note for clarity that the other rookie has obviously also been deemed a UFA.
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 6, 2020 4:21:02 GMT
Terrible decision considering how much time and effort people put into trading for draft picks and building list over multiple years.
Do you see anyone going back to work out what time the last pick in the 2020 NBA draft was?
NBA key dates have dates, time and timezones.
This definition of days has been construed after the event. If there was a clear date, time and timezone, then I'll wear it. But this is BS.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 6, 2020 6:01:15 GMT
Is this for real or tongue-in-cheek? Is there really a DRB or is it just a one man show?
I got to agree with DGT. And I am someone who trades away draft picks like confetti. Pretty rough on the guys who take the long route and try to build a franchise slowly. Imagine acquiring and waiting a couple of years for picks and then have them stolen by someone without a real life counting down the clock till 168.
Speaking of 168 what does "basic consensus" actually mean? Sounds like a way of getting out of an unclear ruling?
I see my poll is not going well but really draft picks should not be morphed into free agency. Real NBA teams hold the rights for one year, not one week
Straight from the Horse's Mouth
Draft Rights
Draft Rights give a team the exclusive right to negotiate with and sign their draft pick. In general, a team will hold a player’s Draft Rights for a period of one year (Note: This time period only applies to non-Early Entry players). This upholds the sanctity of the NBA Draft and prevents draft picks from acting as free agents and signing with any team of their choosing. Draft Rights go into effect immediately after the player is drafted but are only maintained for the full year if the drafting team makes a Required Tender to their draft pick.[1] The substance of the Required Tender differs depending on whether the player is a first or second round pick. For first round picks, a Required Tender follows the rookie scale requirements and allows the player to sign until at least the first day of the regular season. For second round picks, a Required Tender is for at least the minimum salary and one season, and allows the player to sign until at least October 15th.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 6, 2020 6:41:30 GMT
Looks like counting down the clock is right. Turns out Tonto waited till 168 hours and 2 minutes to make a bid.
Trying to wrap my head around the fact that someone was sitting around staring at his screen and counting down the minutes. Wow. That guy REALLY needs to get laid.
If that is the kind of dedication that is required to win a title, guess I ain't winning one. To even know when the 168 hours ended to the very minute speaks to a life in need of....life.
But to actually wait by the screen to jump in at exactly 168 hours that is just screaming out for an intervention.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 6, 2020 6:47:43 GMT
Every year we have draft picks bid on after the window for signing them closes. This isn’t a new concept. This just has been the closest to the deadline that this has ever happened. Most of us in this league do it so I don’t see why this is an issue for you. It’s written in the rules that this is the way it supposed to be and you love to play by the rules right?
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 6, 2020 7:03:57 GMT
I have been in this competition since the start for 6 years, building this team, spent hours working through trades and I have done the most trades of anyone. Cost me 3 first round picks to get that pick.
Yesterday was the first time ever 168 has been mentioned in the last 6 years. Don't give the BS that this is a definition that is clear and everyone should have known. This definition has just been jumped on as a few people who have been been very vocal and want him as an UFA. We play a long game of skill over years, getting him this way shows no skills whatsoever.
I am getting punished because a statement within our rules is unclear and can be interpreted different ways.
Like I said if it was stated clearly, then my bad.
I really strongly feel like the mob mentality has cheated me out of a player.
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Post by DemiGodTom on Dec 6, 2020 7:22:50 GMT
Jeremy, you missed my whole argument. I feel i did sign him within 7 days. We have never mentioned that 7 days is 168 hours from the end of the draft for this purpose until yesterday in our 6 years.
IF this was a legal battle for a corporate body or group. The rules within Australia as governed by ASIC states that for days notice you do not count the partial date the notice is given on. It's counted as day zero. The law then only counts whole days after that until the end of that day unless specifically stated.
We have a deadline that is not clear in definition. The 168 was only mentioned as of yesterday as it served a purpose for some to make him available.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 6, 2020 12:51:26 GMT
DemiGod realistically why did you wait till the last minute to sign him? As far as I’m concerned you forgot and the auction reminded you to sign him. That is the only reason why this is an argument. I think you know you screwed up and as always are making an argument to suit what is best for your team. You have constantly in this league used the rules to your advantage in situations where the rules have been unclear this time it bit you in the ass. This isn’t a court of law this is a fantasy basketball league so your argument doesn’t hold any water.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 6, 2020 13:44:26 GMT
Dull Skull
You are a sadder case with every passing year.
You cry and cry over managers upping their bids to take you on over a RFA but you can turn around and have no compunction about undermining the very nature of a dynasty league by snatching someone's draft pick.
You haven't the honesty to admit that what is happening here is neither in the spirit of a dynasty league nor is it even guided by real NBA rules and that argument has been used before to shut down complaints.
To say there is a "basic consensus " about what 7 days means by definition there was no clear definition.
I have no dog in this fight and this ruling won't affect my team in any way but there is something called fair play and playing within the spirit of the game and you clowns totally trampled all over it,
And for what? For a guy who only ever played 3 college games and will probably take years to develop. He's not going to be worth owning for a few years yet and maybe never.
Was it really worth diving into the gutter for this player?
You are such a hypocrite. You wrap yourself in your own self serving morality whenever it suits you and then turn around and discard it to suit your fancy.
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Post by GreySkull Masters on Dec 6, 2020 17:12:59 GMT
You really are dense Basketball. I have not been crying about bidding up players. I made my opinions know last year and went with what the league said. Then it was brought up again and just reiterated that my stance on the matter hasn’t changed. I did not ask for a revote or to relook at the rule. Javy asked for suggestions on how bidding could possibly be improved and I gave my opinion on all bidding not RFAs or bidding up one’s self.
You are the butt hurt person too stupid to see that everyone isn’t out to get you. You probably think Covid-19 is a scam made up by Biden and that the election was rigged. Over half the league agrees with this ruling as proven by your own poll. But those are probably illegal votes right? Just shut up for once in this league and stop believing everything you say as the gospel.
As for me wrapping myself in my own morality that is also the exact same with you. I’m not denying that when I believe something is right I stick with it but at least I provide arguments for my case unlike you.
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Post by old - basketball on Dec 7, 2020 3:34:07 GMT
You've been blubbering about your RFA for 12 months now. Cry, cry, cry, cry.
Did ripping off that other fella's draft pick ease your pain? Such a low move.
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