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Post by OLD rookies on Oct 2, 2017 10:39:20 GMT
This the timeline, I believe... Ariza signed $4M - 1 year as a RFA... Conycento declined Hill signed $15M - 2 hours ago as an UFA Westbrook signed an offersheet $135M - 50 mins ago... previous owner to decide to match or notAnd I must state, that this case should be cleared first. I know I have the timeline here to deciding on Westbrook’s situation. And if hasn’t be cleared by time passed, I’ll match the offer. But I need Commish to consider all factors and evidences here. Westbrook signed a CONTRACT 50 min ago. He signed his OFFER SHEET 25 hours ago when the auction finished. When he signed the offer sheet there was room in my cap. by then, you didn’t clarify the details of the contract. That’s why I believe he’s still a free agent. And I’ve matched the offer within the timeline, unless I’ve mistaken the deadline for me to match.
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Post by OLD rookies on Oct 2, 2017 10:45:16 GMT
Westbrooke was signed over 24 hours ago. long before the auctions for both hill and brogdon finished. You were clearly told shortly after the westbrooke signing by both myself and others the RR had the cap space honour the contract. You chose to ignore this advice and not match the contract for westbooke. RR then breached the cap to sign both brogdon and hill and subsequently waved valintunus to rectify the situation. yes, by then, Ronto still has the $33M. But then he signed other players which caused his salary cap decreased to $24.5M. and by that time, Westbrook is still a free agent if I decided to decline or forgot to match, which I believe I still have the time to do so. Man, I’m tired debating this. I’ve matched the offer minutes ago. Please clarify if I’ve missed the timeline. If I didn’t, I have the right for Westbrook. But if I’ve missed, I’ll move on.
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Post by Ronto Raiders on Oct 2, 2017 10:46:51 GMT
The time to match was 1 hour and 20 min ago.
The timeline went like this;
Ariza $4 million $29 million remaining Westbrook $27.5 million $1.5 million remaining Hill $4.5 million ($3 Million) over Brogdan $3 million still unsigned waiting for current owner to match or decline
jonas valanciunas waived clearing $7 million enough for hill and Brogdan maybe
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Post by OLD rookies on Oct 2, 2017 10:50:15 GMT
The time to match was 1 hour and 20 min ago.The timeline went like this; Ariza $4 million $29 million remaining Westbrook $27.5 million $1.5 million remaining Hill $4.5 million ($3 Million) over Brogdan $3 million still unsigned waiting for current owner to match or decline jonas valanciunas waived clearing $7 million enough for hill and Brogdan maybe is that so? because in my clock, I still have the time. But maybe I’m wrong, the clock has passed already but I didn’t notice due to different time zones. commish, please clarify...thank you
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Post by Ronto Raiders on Oct 2, 2017 10:54:24 GMT
It has been 25 hours and 34 minutes since I won the auction. Your time to match expired 1 hour and 34 minutes ago Time zones don't matter.
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Post by OLD rookies on Oct 2, 2017 11:02:28 GMT
I’ll let the commish to decide and announce it officially... Did I or did I not miss the timeline... i’ll be alright and accept his decision he would make
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 2, 2017 11:07:47 GMT
This is the timeline I have.. RR cap space starts at $33M
RR placed bid on Ariza at 11:55AM 30/9/17 RR placed bid on Westbrooke at 8:20PM 30/9/17 RR placed bid on Brogdon at 10:27AM 1/10/17 RR won auction for Ariza at 11:55AM 1/10/17 - required 4M cap space to sign contract - new cap total $29M RR placed bid on Hill at 16:02PM 1/10/17 RR won auction for westbrooke at 8:20PM 1/10/17 - required at least $27,035,822 cap space to sign contract - new cap total max $1,964,178 RR won auction for Brogdon at 10:27AM 2/10/17 - required at least $2,803,715 cap space to sign contract - Breached cap by about 1M has 24H to rectify. RR won auction for Hill at 16:20PM 2/10/17 - further exceeded cap - now 4.5Mish over. RR waived Valentunus at 8:44PM 2/11/17 - freeing 7.5M space to sign both Brogdon and Hill.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 11:24:55 GMT
What I really do not understand here in this debate is why did you (Rookies) simply not match his (Ronto) bid in ample time to avoid this total debate. Why play games just to potentially save a few millions in cap space, it not like you really need it - you have more room than just about all of us. Quite frankly I am not totally sure who is right here, although our commissioner's time frame seems correct, but frankly I do not have a lot of sympathy for you Rookies even if you should be right, as you so easily could have avoided this total debate. I guess the final decision will be the commissioner's.
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Post by OLD rookies on Oct 2, 2017 11:37:52 GMT
HH: yes, I could’ve secure Westbrook earlier by matching Ronto’s offer immediately. But I have my own thoughts and strategies on how to keep Westbrook and still preparing my own cap space for long term, since I want to be in this league for as long as possible. It might not acceptable by others with the moves I’ve made, but it’s alright and I’m willing to take the risks that might happen, for example, losing Westbrook this year.
This kinda league is more complicated than other leagues, and I like it, actually. Sure, there might be some debates throughout the year, but I’ve expected that. Hopefully, others are okay with my opinions.
Let’s give a chance to our commish to decide. And I’m still waiting for him to do so. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 11:50:44 GMT
I certainly respect your right to do what you believe in, as long as you are prepared to live with the consequences of your actions, should they not turn out the way you had intended. Just as a general comment as stated elsewhere this whole process of RFA should in my opinion be somewhat modified as it is simply stretching out over too a time frame.
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Post by DemiGodTom on Oct 2, 2017 12:05:17 GMT
Hi Guys,
I am not sure we have counted the salary cap at the right time?
I believe a signed offer sheet contract is not an official contract that has been processed by the NBA that counts against a team's salary cap.
The contract cannot officially be accepted and processed by the league until it's finalised by either the timeline passing or the RFA manager declining.
Therefore, i suspect the amount should not count against the salary cap until the time expires as the contract is not officially processed until then.
As the league cannot accept the contract until the RFA manager declines or time passes.
Otherwise NBA teams would have legal contracts that have to be broken all the time.
I respect both parties involved.
I will respect and accept whatever final decision the commish decides.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 2, 2017 13:46:29 GMT
My understanding of the RFA process in the NBA is that once a team signs a RFA to an offer sheet that the money starts counting against the cap, and is cleared if the offer is matched. (i could however very well be wrong)
This was the the reason the time to match was cut from 7 to 3 days a few season ago.
Either way, a decision as been made and a precedent set for cases.
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