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Post by DemiGodTom on Sept 21, 2018 23:50:01 GMT
Same rules as in the NBA.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 0:19:02 GMT
Oh boy what a complete clusterfuck. At no point either publicly or privately was free agency ever mentioned.
It's not that I bid too much for Carmelo but that I would never have bid on Sabonis had I been aware that Carmelo would go to free agency if stretched.
The whole point of bidding on Sabonis was predicated on being able to reduce carmelo's yearly intake by spreading it out over more years a la Tom Brady.
Had it been clear that I would lose Carmelo and still be on the hook for the money then I would never have bid on Sabonis..obviously.
Probably need to go back and start from scratch with Sabonis
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Post by OLD - Flint Tropics on Sept 22, 2018 0:22:49 GMT
If you don’t understand bidding, waivers, stretching, claiming or dropping, and have no interest in basketball until football is sorted, do you really think a salary dynasty basketball league is for you?
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 0:25:53 GMT
Well I thought I was getting into it. I did raise a number of questions but people kind of skirted the issue.
I suppose you can say live and learn but my team is obviously ham strung for the next 4 years because of this.
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Post by Ronto Raiders on Sept 22, 2018 0:30:32 GMT
You exact quote was “ I am now putting Carmello on waivers”
And it was posted in the waivers thread.
And I asked specifically twice had you waived Carmello.
What do you think all this meant?
You even had the stretching options spelled out for you.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 0:32:13 GMT
Right
He went to waivers and if no one claimed him off waivers I could then stretch his contract.
End of story
I certainly did not put him on waivers to send him off to free agency with me left holding the tab.
You see this all the time in baseball
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 0:36:05 GMT
Putting a player on waivers is a prelude to renegotiating a contract not throwing all your money out the window
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Post by OLD - Flint Tropics on Sept 22, 2018 0:40:31 GMT
In the NBA it’s as it is here. Waivers means you’ve dropped them
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Post by Ronto Raiders on Sept 22, 2018 1:24:18 GMT
What did you think waive meant?
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 1:26:26 GMT
Already answered. Read above
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 1:31:55 GMT
Ronto
You enjoy playing the superior smart ass so smart ass read below and kiss my ass
If a team claims a player off waivers and has a viable claim as described above, his current team (the "waiving team") may choose one of the following options:
arrange a trade with the claiming team for that player within two business days of the claim; or rescind the request and keep the player on its roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or do nothing and allow the claiming team to assume the player's existing contract, pay the waiving team a waiver fee, and place the player on its active roster. If a player is claimed and the waiving team exercises its rescission option, the waiving team may not use the option again for that player in that season—a subsequent waiver would be irrevocable with a claiming team getting the player essentially for nothing. If no team claims a player off waivers after three business days, the player has cleared waivers and may be traded (to any team), or released outright.
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Post by Ronto Raiders on Sept 22, 2018 2:26:03 GMT
First of all, never forget I am superior and 2nd of all that’s a great story but it’s not the rules we play by.
Have you had some sort of head injury? Have you ever been institutionalised?
I cannot for the life of me understand how 11 people can understand for the main part some fairly simple rules and 1 person just has no idea.
Anyway as it stands your paying Carmello the best of $20 million to not play for you and even more if you want him to actually play.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Sept 22, 2018 6:58:19 GMT
Carmelo has been waived. Once he clears waivers he becomes a free agent, just like when you drop a player to the waiver wire during the season.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 12:06:27 GMT
Ok Ronto
You asked what I thought waiver meant and I told you what it does mean in the real world but not was not good enough for you...a good story is what you call the truth...yes, what a big brain you have.
So, take that superior brain out of your ass and try and find the words FREE AGENCY in our rules. Show me where it says a player waived goes automatically to FREE AGENCY
I was not here when this league began and there has NEVER been any wording in rules or in conversation to say that players waived are automatically CUT.
This is a fantasy league bozo and a fantasy league can set itself how it ever it feels. So to turn around and say 11 people magically know that waiver means cut is blatant bullshit.
You really are so full of shit.
So go ahead, Genius....show me where the FREE AGENCY IS MENTIONED
Waived Players. Contracts for waived players will continue to count against the team’s salary cap unless; The player is claimed off waivers by another team. There are extraordinary real-life circumstances, determined at the league discretion, that lead to the player requiring to be waived. For example player death. Non-Minimum Exemption. When a NON MINIMUM salary (over $500K) player is waived, their contract minus $500K will continue to count against the cap.
For example; If Joel Embiid is waived whilst on a contract of $3,000,000 per year, and is not claimed off waivers by another team, his cap hit will be $2,500,000 ($3,000,000 - $500,000).
Stretched Provision If a NON-MINIMUM waived players is not claimed off waivers their total remaining salary can be stretched over a period of up to 4 years. For example if a player with 2 years @ $10,000,000 per year remaining on his contract is waived his cap hit can be stretched over a four year period at $5,000,000 per year. The stretched provision can also be combined with the non-minimum exemption to further reduce a waived player’s cap hit in one of two ways. Either, the $500,000 can be deducted from the current years cap hit after the player salary is stretched. Following on from the previous example the player's cap hit would be as follows… Year 1 $4,500,000 ($5,000,000 - $500,000) Year 2 $5,000,000 Year 3 $5,000,000 Year 4 $5,000,000 OR The $500,000 can be deducted prior to the salary being stretched as follows… Following on from the previous example; Deduct the $500,000 from the total owing on the contract $20,000,000 - $500,000 = $19,500,000 And stretched over 4 years… Year 1 $4,875,000 Year 2 $4,875,000 Year 3 $4,875,000 Year 4 $4,875,000 Stretched salary can be divided unequally over a period of up to four years provided that no less than 15% of the total contract value is paid out in any one year, AND that it does not cause the team to exceed the salary cap in any season.
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Post by old - basketball on Sept 22, 2018 12:09:04 GMT
Carmelo has been waived. Once he clears waivers he becomes a free agent, just like when you drop a player to the waiver wire during the season. Sorry Bud But you probably want to go back and rewrite the rules. They were not clear at all. It was only after reading them that I went ahead with my strategy. The word "Waiver" has many meanings. I never think of waiver and cutting as the same thing. Waiver is just the first step in a process to either releasing, trading or renegotiating a contract.
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