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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 9:25:44 GMT
Let me just point out a couple of issues - had this league had like the NBA has a "buy-out" facility, this whole issue would have been avoided, as I simple would have bought out Okafor's 3 year 3M yearly contract at 9M divided by 2 with a 4.5M one time hit to my cap space, of course with the understanding that I could not resign him until he had been added and dropped by another manager. Secondly are you saying that once Okafor clears waivers whenever that may be, he can be signed to a contract by another manager and have two contracts in place at the same time, that is legally simply not possible. As far as I am concerned, if you want to go that route Okafor is out of the NBA in this league for 3 years until his first legal binding contract is off the books.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 7, 2017 9:38:49 GMT
Our rule is modeled on the same rules that are in place in the NBA.
If you waive a player, the players salary is still counted against your salary cap. Its as simple as that.
The exemption is if another team claims the player of waivers, they then take on the players full salary. - again same as in the NBA
if it helps think about it this way, the 'buy-out' in this league 100% of the players salary.
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Post by Ronto Raiders on Oct 7, 2017 9:50:47 GMT
If you didn't want Okafor's cap hit on your books for 4 years shouldn't you have just waived and stretched him over 1 year? Pay the total contract (less $500,000) this year. The rules state that players can be stretched by UP TO 4 years, this can mean 1, 2, 3 or 4.
Also, the salary cap has nothing to do with the legality or otherwise of a contract. As soon as the player is waived, his guaranteed contract is null and void, you are releasing the player from his obligations. Paying out his contract has nothing to do with his ability to sign another. By waiving a player you are forgoing you rights of control over the player but you cannot change your obligations to the player.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:21:14 GMT
How can you say that your rules are modeled after the rules in the NBA - I am not aware of a single buy-out in the NBA being of a value of 100%, in all cases I am aware off negotiations between the team and the player to come to an agreeable buy-out amount - just take the case Wade and the Bulls. Since in fantasy basketball it is not possible to have a player participate every other contract league I am aware off has a formula of the total value of the contract divided by 2 being the one time cap hit as explained above.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:25:32 GMT
Anyhow do whatever you like this is simple too time consuming for me - you know my position on Okafor - he is waived, bought out or whatever you want to call it. Batum is also waived with the understanding, that there has already been two claims for his services.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 7, 2017 10:32:25 GMT
you are comparing two different things, the bulls-wade buyout amount is that amount of cash the bulls will pay wade.
the cap hit the bulls take is still wades original full salary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:35:43 GMT
Are you certain of that why would the Bulls agree to that - there is absolutely no benefit to them for doing so.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 7, 2017 10:42:16 GMT
they have to pay wade regardless, his contract is guaranteed.
they no longer wanted him as a player, there choices are to pay him to sit on the bench, or pay him out. and save some actual money.
wade did not want to be in Chicago, so he gives up some of his guaranteed money to be able to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:47:16 GMT
Here is a quote from an NBA page that does not seem to quite agree with what you are saying
"Waiving a player means the team owes that players' salary over the remaining duration of their contract. For example, when the Pistons waived Josh Smith, they still owed him a crazy amount of money and it did count against their cap. (They are still paying him, because they used the stretch provision, meaning they pay him a smaller annual sum of money over a longer period of time to preserve cap space). Buying a player out is a mutual agreement and it doesn't count against the cap. When Houston traded Ennis for Huertas, they waived him to create another roster spot, but they still saved some cap space because his salary was cheaper than Tyler's."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:50:53 GMT
Anyhow just get on with the normal league business as this is really irrelevant - you are the boss - you have your rules - the rest of us have to live them.
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 7, 2017 10:52:27 GMT
That's exactly what Im saying, buying out a player does NOT alter your cap position. - Houston only saved cap space because the his salary was cheaper, not because of the buy-out
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 7, 2017 10:53:04 GMT
So are you still in?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:58:58 GMT
Yes I think I eluded to that fact already above when I said:
"Anyhow do whatever you like this is simple too time consuming for me - you know my position on Okafor - he is waived, bought out or whatever you want to call it. Batum is also waived with the understanding, that there has already been two claims for his services"
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Post by Javy Dawg on Oct 7, 2017 11:03:44 GMT
Cool, just wanted to be sure.
Glade you decided to stick it out.
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Post by Conycento on Oct 8, 2017 18:15:48 GMT
Waiving Harry Giles $500,000 in this year
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